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Saturday, September 24, 2005

Misery Loves Company

Kevin Drum made a comment this week that touched on one of the great annoying paradoxes of American life. In the course of a discussion about the Davis-Bacon act, he writes:

I've long felt that public hostility to unions, and especially to public sector unions, is based not so much on their demands for higher pay as on their demands for byzantine and highly restrictive work rules. Most people aren't unwilling to pay teachers decently, for example, but they also think that teachers should be held accountable to a boss (just like they themselves are) and that it should be possible to fire bad teachers without five years of hearings and red tape.

The paradoxical thing here is that many of the very same people who argue stridently that teachers need to "be held accountable to a boss" are busily decorating their cubicles with Dilbert cartoons and spend their off hours blogging about what short-sighted morons their bosses are. If the "normal" business model is so great, why all the bitching? Or, put another way, if being accountable to a boss in a normal corporate environment is such soul-sucking hell, why should we inflict the same system on teachers?

It's the flip side of the phenomenon where large numbers of poll respondants believe that Congress is hopelessly corrupt, and then turn around and vote for the incumbent anyway, because their guy isn't like the others. In this case, I think the reasoning is that corporate structure in the abstract is a Good Thing, and it's just their specific boss/company that's all screwed up. Presumably, if we put bosses in all the schools, we'll only be putting in the good bosses, not the incompetent windbags running their office.

Either that, or they're hoping for a chance at schadenfreude...

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If having a conventional boss sucks as much as you say, then you’d have to pay people lots of money to undergo that torture, yeah? So if teachers don’t have to put up with that, then obviously they should be paid way less than people at other jobs.

Mike Kozlowski, 2005-09-24, 11:11am [link]


Most public elementary and secondary school systems are already run by the equivalent of corporate bosses. Most teachers in those schools, as far as I know, are on yearly contracts that school boards can choose not to renew. It’s only in colleges and universities that tenure means anything. As to the pay, a lot of people see kids running around in the summer and assume that teachers work only nine months – so why pay them for a year? They ignore the fact that many teachers, and especially the good ones, work for an hourly rate that is below the minimum wage. Who grades all those papers, and when? When do teachers prepare their lessons?. They do it at home, on their own time. I also know of teachers who spend their own money for school supplies. The simple fact is that we as a society say we value education but we don’t really. We value winning football teams.

Mark Paris, 2005-09-24, 12:13pm [link]


I wouldn’t get too hung up on the teacher example. That’s my fault, of course, but teachers aren’t really typical of public sector workers.

There is a widespread belief that it’s next to impossible to fire an incompetent public sector worker, both teachers and others. Anecdotal and statistical evidence indicates that this belief is true, and I think an awful lot of people are very hostile to the idea that lazy incompetents aren’t held accountable for their lazy incompetence.

What’s more, even if a lot of people like to bitch about their bosses, almost everyone accepts the idea that someone has to run things and that workers ought to demonstrate some level of proficiency to keep their jobs. In fact, surveys indicate that one of the most common complaints among workers is annoyance with lazy coworkers who aren’t held acountable for their laziness. (Whether these complaints are justified or not, I couldn’t say, but it’s a common observation.)

I agree that teaching is a unique and problematic profession when it comes to oversight, because teachers generally work alone and are observed only rarely by their nominal bosses. Nonetheless, I’m endlessly amused that teachers (and here I’m talking mostly about primary and secondary teachers, not university professors) seem to feel that unlike every other profession, which of course requires supervision, teaching doesn’t. Why? And no arguments based on superior education and commitment, please, since those same arguments apply to many, many other professions as well.

My mother is a teacher, so as you can imagine, this topic produces many, um, fascinating conversations between us….

Kevin Drum, 2005-09-24, 1:32pm [link]


I think it’s more that ‘oversight’ is highly impractical for a teacher. Especially on typical primary schools, which are fairly small, having a whole person extra just to supervise is a major expense, and one that the people paying for the school, historically, don’t really want made.

Jasper Janssen, 2005-09-24, 2:15pm [link]


More supervision requires something to measure, doesn’t it? What is a primary school teacher going to discuss on a daily/weekly basis with their boss? The only thing I can imagine is a pointless meeting where they discuss how they thought the weeks classes went absent any objective data. And this is an hour or more that could be devoted to grading papers, making lesson plans, etc. As for the five years to fire an incompetent teacher; well, how many years does it take to determine whether they are truly incompetent and not inexperienced, for one. Or even that they simply got a bad draw on a couple classes. One budding sociopath could bring down one’s average – average what, I have no idea, but it would be down.

Brian Ledford, 2005-09-25, 8:43am [link]


Kevin: There is a widespread belief that it’s next to impossible to fire an incompetent public sector worker, both teachers and others. Anecdotal and statistical evidence indicates that this belief is true, and I think an awful lot of people are very hostile to the idea that lazy incompetents aren’t held accountable for their lazy incompetence.

Of course, while it may be hard to fire incompetent public-sector people, the actual number of grossly incompetent people hanging onto their jobs because it’s too much work to get rid of them is widely exaggerated. There are more of them, to be sure, than there are Cadillac-driving welfare queens, but contrary to popular belief, the majority of public-sector employees, in my experience, are as hard-working and competent as any of the private-sector people bitching about them.

(A lot of the complaints about incomptence are also really complaints about policy. We used to bitch about the Purchasing office when I worked at NIST, but the problem wasn’t that Purchasing was staffed with incompetents—they weren’t, with one exception. The problem was that the government purchasing rules mandate a process that from a distance can be hard to distinguish from incompetence.)

While it’s certainly true that many pulic organizations could be made vastly more efficient by firing all the incompetent deadwood, I think the same could be said for many private companies as well. Just making it possible to fire incompetent teachers or DMV clerks isn’t going to magically reform anything, any more than having the power to quickly fire anyone they like automatically makes IBM a model of efficiency and good service.

Of course, this is already known—after all, as you note:
In fact, surveys indicate that one of the most common complaints among workers is annoyance with lazy coworkers who aren’t held acountable for their laziness.

If organizations that ostensibly have accountability and oversight aren’t actually holding lazy people accountable, why should anyone expect that shifting that business model to another setting will produce anything different?

Chad Orzel, 2005-09-25, 10:58am [link]


The paradoxical thing here is that many of the very same people who argue stridently that teachers need to “be held accountable to a boss” are busily decorating their cubicles with Dilbert cartoons and spend their off hours blogging about what short-sighted morons their bosses are. If the “normal” business model is so great, why all the bitching? Or, put another way, if being accountable to a boss in a normal corporate environment is such soul-sucking hell, why should we inflict the same system on teachers?

You’re kidding, right?

You’ve never been in a situation where you’ve said, “This sucks… but that sucks even more”? Well, that’s the situation with corporatism (which sucks) and corporatism with unions (which sucks even more.)

Note: “Sucks” is a context dependent term, here, and if you’re conjuring up visions of circa 1905 coal miners with black lung disease, you’re in the wrong context.

It’s not a fundamental disconnect, nor is it really that hard to grok.

Just making it possible to fire incompetent teachers or DMV clerks isn’t going to magically reform anything, any more than having the power to quickly fire anyone they like automatically makes IBM a model of efficiency and good service.

Wow, what a fundamentally flawed argument. “Action will not lead to magical perfection, therefore, action is pointless”?

How about this: Convince me that making it signifigantly easier to fire incompetent teachers will have no beneficial effects on the system.

Novak, 2005-09-25, 1:26pm [link]


That’s easy—who will control the definition of ‘incompetent’?

Given that the definition of incompetent will be widely held to include ‘teaches evolution as fact’, I’d say that you’re not going to get a net win, there.

Education is one of those things where a socially mediated definition of ‘competent’ is a very bad thing. What kids are being taught had better differ from what their parents got; things change in twenty five years, or more. What kids are being taught had better be generally conformant to the wide consensus on best practices including the idea that ‘kids are different’, rather than what the local stubborn charismatic remembers as working for them forty years previously.

Education is supposed to be meritocratic; corporations aren’t, typically. So running education like a corporation isn’t likely to work well.

Graydon, 2005-09-25, 7:04pm [link]


Fundamentally, it all comes down to this:

You’ve never been in a situation where you’ve said, “This sucks… but that sucks even more”? Well, that’s the situation with corporatism (which sucks) and corporatism with unions (which sucks even more.)

As far as I’m concerned, you’ve got the rankings reversed. Everything else follows from that.

Chad Orzel, 2005-09-25, 8:06pm [link]


As far as I’m concerned, you’ve got the rankings reversed.

Were you going to take a crack at convincing me that making it easier to fire incompetent teachers would have no beneficial consequences?

Novak, 2005-09-25, 8:31pm [link]


The problem is that “making it easier to fire incompetent teachers” also makes it easier to fire competent teachers. Which tends to encourage timidity and toadyism rather than competence.

Michael I, 2005-09-26, 6:42am [link]


Were you going to take a crack at convincing me that making it easier to fire incompetent teachers would have no beneficial consequences?

There’s not much point. It’s not like this is the first time we’ve had this argument.

If you insist, I will note that “making it easy to fire incompetent teachers” and “correctly identifying and firing only the incompetent teachers” are not the same thing. As others have already pointed out.

Chad Orzel, 2005-09-26, 7:05am [link]


Even if it was easy to fire incompetent teachers (I’m not sure it’s particularly hard in reality), who would we replace them with? It’s not as if there’s some vast storehouse of competent teachers ready and willing to fill their ranks.

Dave Munger, 2005-09-26, 7:28am [link]


Graydon:

That’s easy—who will control the definition of ‘incompetent’?

Given that the definition of incompetent will be widely held to include ‘teaches evolution as fact’, I’d say that you’re not going to get a net win, there.

I have a grave fear, though, that if “intelligent design” [sic] gets enough of a foothold, that the self-protection tendencies of the unions will act to protect it, and therefore reinforce it.

It’s a similar argument in structure to why I disliked Presidential line-item veto power even when we had Presidents I liked: what happens when we get one I don’t like?

Chad:

There’s not much point. It’s not like this is the first time we’ve had this argument.

True, though I’d consider it more of a discussion than an argument.

If you insist, I will note that “making it easy to fire incompetent teachers” and “correctly identifying and firing only the incompetent teachers” are not the same thing. As others have already pointed out.

And this is where I politely scoff at the inherent semi-mysticism of assuming that it’s so much more difficult to recognize an incompetent teacher than an incompetent something else. Every profession, every single one of them, likes to think that there is something special about them that makes performance metrics or monitoring impossible. Every single one of them. And I don’t just mean software and hardware engineers griping about the horrible burdens of submitting to standards and test procedures, either. (No, engineers, we’re not that special, either.) I mean, going back a hundred years to brick layers and coal-shovellers. So, yeah, I scoff.

I think next you might ask me how I’d arrange that, and I’d suggest maybe standardized testing. You’d politely scoff in turn that this leads to “teaching to the test” with which I don’t have a problem, if it’s a good test. After all, it’s good enough for nearly ever college admission board in the land… as long as they can foist the costs off on the applicants.

Or I might suggest something market-based, and you’d claim (I think) that’s “magic” with no gaurantee of working, and I’d get philosophical and point out that fixing any complex system is—like science and engineering—a process of discovery, not a process of imposing a pre-determined TRVTH onto the field.

So yeah, I guess we have been here before. For you, unions are the answer to the problem, or at least a palliative to a problem. For me, they’re either a symptom, or an exacerbator of a symptom of something else—that being, in a nutshell, that I can’t tell where the accountability in the system is, and that to an observer it looks very incestuous, non-objective, and indirect.

In an ideal world, unions would self-police and eject their own incompetents. In the real world, incompetents pay union dues, too, and get protected.

Novak, 2005-09-26, 12:56pm [link]


Note: That may have come across snarkier than intended. Just frustrated that two allegedly smart guys can’t come close to any agreement on this, no matter how many times we go around it.

Novak, 2005-09-26, 2:06pm [link]


I think that part of this is a resentment issue. Non-unionized workers see unionized workers as privileged, and resent that. One way of dealing with that is to unionize, but the current situation makes that virtually impossible. So the alternative is to resent unionized workers, and take pleasure in dragging them down.

Barry, 2005-09-27, 9:54am [link]


My mother is a teacher (in Poland) and I have also discussed such things with her. We both think that it is far better to have the same hiring conditions in schools that elsewhere in the economy, then to have some “special” privileges. For one, it means you can compare your pay and benefits more easily with other people and more easily establish what your position on the job market is. Another thing is the motivation. If you can’t fire an incompetent person, than something is really wrong. Arguments how this would make exerting political pressure on teachers easier just don’t fly with me. If you have a school board which wants to teach children that Earth is flat and was made 6000 years ago, than you’re screwed anyway. OTOH, I live in Poland and here such problems do not exist in schools (although there is some resistance among teachers to teaching about sexuality).

rwerp, 2005-10-01, 10:58am [link]


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Friday, September 23, 2005

A Day Late, a Lurker Short

Since all the cool kids are doing it, and it's a good lazy Friday post (like the last couple took effort...), I'll acknowledge Lurker Day.

If you read this blog, but don't usually post comments, please post a comment and say who you are. There's no obligation to buy, no salesmen will call, and you don't even need to leave your real name.

I think I know most of the people who read this, but I get the occasional link from blogs in languages I don't speak, so there must be some traffic from people unknown to me. I'm curious to know who you all are.

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Thursday, September 22, 2005

Critical Phenomena on Exam Day

One person handing in the hour exam after twenty minutes is dismissed as an anomaly.

Two more turning their papers in at forty-five minutes get a little more attention.

A fourth paper handed in at fifty minutes reaches the tipping point-- six more come in right away. You can just about see the light go on that says "It's now OK to hand your paper in." Hell, I've been the indecisive person sitting there making no more progress, but thinking "It's too soon to just leave..." until enough other people go to make it all right.

There are usually a couple who hang on right to the bitter end, though not today (it's not that big a class). I didn't have to kick anyone out today, but I have had to just about physically drag papers away from people in the past.

I got really bored one year proctoring a large exam, and recorded the departure times of the students. I made a graph (yes, I'm that big a dork) of exam grade vs. time spent on the test, which was about what you would expect-- the first person to leave had one of the highest grades, as did the last one out the door, and the students in the middle were scattered all over.

When I set up some time bins (yes, I'm that big a dork), the average score started high, dipped, and came back up at the end. It looked vaguely gaussian, but that's the central limit theorem for you. The spread in the scores started small, got bigger, and came back down.

I'm still not sure what the exact threshold is at which it becomes all right for people who are just doodling in the margins to hand their papers in-- I don't think I could've said what it was back when I was one of the doodlers-- but I bet there's a psychology project in that somewhere...

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Singularly Dissatisfied

I've been in a very Gibletsian mood the last few weeks-- dissatisfied with everything. I'm dissatisfied with the mass media, with football announcers in general (though not the New York Giants Radio Network, who rule), with the new edition of our introductory physics textbook, with our huge selection of defective lock-in amplifiers-- everything. Sadly, this doesn't actually make for good blogging, at least if you use the term to mean "something I could re-read a week from now without cringing."

One of the things I've been dissatisfied with most recently has been my bedtime reading, Charlie Stross's Accelerando, which has been widely praised as being the cutting edge of contemporary SF. It's nominally a story of humanity going through a Vingean Singularity, but really it's nerd porn, and when I say that, believe me I am not referring to the sex bits, which are just embarassing. I mean that it's chock full of nifty little gadgets and ideas and mini-lectures, all designed to make the geekiest of the geekiest say "Oooh!"

Chief among the Kewl ideas is the Singularity itself, an idea which Ken MacLeod (or, at least, a character in one of his books) rightly dubbed "The Rapture for nerds," a name given in scorn that has since been adopted in pride, which holds that the exponential speed-up in computing power will ultimately lead humanity to transcend our mundane existence, and become godlike electronic intelligences who will later serve as plot contrivances in some alien analogue of Star Trek.

I'm not a big fan of the Singularity as a literary device-- note that Vernor Vinge, who coined the term, explicitly avoids it in his best works-- and I think it's incredibly dopey as a serious prediction. But I'm spared from having to rant about this, as first Kevin Drum and then PZ Myers and Bill Tozier (twice) tear into Singularity buff Ray Kurzweil's forthcoming book of muddled futurist hype (disclaimer: I haven't read the book, but really, is there any other kind of futurism?).

Which is very convenient, because it lets me devote my time to being dissatisfied with the things that I'm paid to be dissatisfied about. Such as the exam I'm giving two and a half hours from now...

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Tuesday, September 20, 2005

Don't Judge a Book by its Cover Letter

There's some follow-up on my job-hunting advice at Pharyngula and The Little Professor. The latter reminds me that I forgot to include the usual disclaimer that my advice is comments are aimed at people in the sciences. The situation in the humanities is very different (and infinitely worse, at least from my point of view).

The former provides some interesting discussion, and also a link to a badly dated essay (written sometime in the early 1990's, when email was a novelty) on how to get a liberal arts job in biology. As with the Chronicle article that kicked all this off, I'm baffled by the emphasis on cover letters. Specifically, the author writes:

Of the four standard documents, I would rank the four documents in the following order of importance: 1) cover letter, 2) cover letter, 3) cover letter 4) cover letter. Although your CV, teaching statement, and research interests/plan are very important documents for a job that expects both teaching and research, the first round of cuts will be heavily influenced by your cover letter.

The logic behind the emphasis on cover letters isn't terrible-- the article continues:

There is no one in the department who does what you do (if they did, they wouldn't want to hire another one), so no one will understand fully your research or appreciate who has written your letters of recommendation. You are writing to an audience of administrators and a collection of biologists from every subdiscipline, so your cover letter should be general in nature in order to appeal to everyone while sufficiently distinct and not generic.

[...]It should be about 1.5 pages long, explain why you are interested in teaching as a primary focus, indicate clearly that you are familiar with this particular school, and make it clear that you want to work with their undergraduates. (Make sure you use that word, some applicants send the same cover letter to graduate programs and PUIs - a guaranteed way to be excluded from the search.) If you determined from your phone call that there is an interest in hiring a research-active faculty member, you want to describe your intention to conduct student-based research.

The problem here is that it doesn't go far enough. Having that stuff in your cover letter is great, as far as it goes, but if that's the only place you talk about your research in general terms, and explain your focus on students, you're screwed.

That same material better appear in your research statement. You're writing a statement to describe how you're going to do research with undergraduates, after all-- it better mention how you can make the project comprehensible to them, and how you expect to be able to make progress with undergraduate labor. A hyper-technical description of your research interests that a faculty member from outside your sub-field can't understand is a Bad Sign.

That same material better show up in your teaching statement as well. The whole reason we do research at liberal arts schools in the first place is because it helps the teaching function of the institution. The best way to learn science is by doing science, and that means labs and research. You need to talk about how you can integrate your research interests into your teaching, and how to use your research to help train students. If your statements show that you feel teaching and research are completely separate activities, that's also a Bad Sign.

If you can find a way to make that same material show up in your CV, do it. List student projects that you've supervised, list some invited talks at educational institutions, show some evidence of interest in both teaching and research. And it needs to be in the reference letters as well. I realize those aren't in your direct control (which is why they carry the most weight with me), but they should show some indication of a real desire to teach and work with undergraduates-- if your references just talk about what a deft touch you have in the lab, and make no mention of teaching ability (even if it's just "He's an excellent public speaker"), that starts to look like you're a research-focussed person who's "settling" for a teaching job.

A great cover letter certainly won't hurt you-- out of the hundred-odd I've read for the various positions we've filled since I've been here, I clearly remember one that was excellent and eye-catching. But a good application needs more than just a good cover letter-- the guy with the great cover letter didn't make the first cut for campus visits, because of issues elsewhere in his application. I'd rather hire someone with a bland cover letter and a great application packet than a great cover letter and deficient personal statements.

(A sufficiently bad cover letter will sink you, though. I also remember a couple that mis-stated the position they were applying for, and one that contained a sentence of the form "I would like to work at your school because I really need the money." I didn't read much beyond the cover letter in any of those.)

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Sunday, September 18, 2005

Actual Job Advice

Back before my hiatus, I was talking about job-hunting advice for people seeking liberal arts college jobs. I had meant to follow up that last post with some actual positive advice, but I was about an hour away from needing dried frog pills to get through my days, so I decided to put it off.

Returning to the subject, and doing a little poking around, you could do a lot worse than to look at the career advice posted by the American Institute of Physics, particulary this PDF file on Hunting for Jobs at Liberal Arts Colleges. The authors are on the faculty at Dickinson and Haverford, so they know what they're talking about.

I'll just fill in a few things around the edges of what they wrote, giving a few do's and don'ts of the liberal arts college world.

Don't Even Think About Applying for a Liberal Arts College Job If:

Go Ahead and Apply If:

If You've Decided to Apply:

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